Painfull session

Kazkaip labai norisi parasyti "welcome to the world of micro stakes", bet kai atidziau perziuriu siuos handus, tai matyti, kad beveik visu pabaigos buvo neisvengiamos... Cia viskas ivyko per viena 1,5k handu sesija (10 multitable)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($5.40)

UTG+1 ($5.60)

MP1 ($24.65)

MP2 ($16.90)

Hero (CO) ($11.75)

Button ($33.50)

SB ($27.45)

BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K

4 folds, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 3, 3, 10(2 players)

Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($6.35) Q(2 players)

Hero checks, Button bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.75 (All-In), Button calls $5.25

River: ($23.85) 6(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23.85 | Rake: $1.15

Results:

Button had A, A (two pair, Aces and threes).

Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and threes).

Outcome: Button won $22.70

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($18.15)

Button ($39.30)

SB ($4.80)

BB ($5)

Hero (UTG) ($10)

MP1 ($11.05)

MP2 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q

Hero bets $1, 2 folds, CO raises to $2.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($5.35) 3, 9, 3(2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $3.25, Hero raises to $7.50 (All-In), CO calls $4.25

Turn: ($20.35) K(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($20.35) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20.35 | Rake: $1

Results:

Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and threes).

CO had K, K (full house, Kings over threes).

Outcome: CO won $19.35

Tarp sekanciu dvieju handu buvo 9 dalinimu skirtumas ir pralosta pries ta pati zaideja

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($6.25)

MP2 ($45.90)

MP3 ($25)

CO ($17.85)

Button ($10.75)

SB ($25)

Hero (BB) ($10)

UTG ($13)

UTG+1 ($11.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K

UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO checks, 2 folds, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.35) 8, 8, 4(3 players)

Hero bets $8 (All-In), 1 fold, MP2 calls $8

Turn: ($22.35) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($22.35) 6(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $22.35 | Rake: $1.10

Results:

Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and eights).

MP2 had 4, 5 (full house, fours over eights).

Outcome: MP2 won $21.60

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($5.05)

CO ($5.25)

Button ($24.65)

SB ($16.65)

Hero (BB) ($10)

UTG ($44.80)

UTG+1 ($28.05)

MP1 ($4.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 10

UTG bets $1, 4 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 10, Q, 8(3 players)

Hero checks, UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9 (All-In), UTG calls $7

Turn: ($21.10) K(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.10) 3(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.10 | Rake: $1

Results:

Hero had 10, 10 (three of a kind, tens).

UTG had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).

Outcome: UTG won $20.10

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($5.35)

SB ($5)

BB ($25.90)

Hero (UTG) ($10.35)

UTG+1 ($4.25)

MP1 ($27)

MP2 ($9.90)

MP3 ($25)

CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q

Hero bets $1, 5 folds, Button raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, Button raises to $5.35 (All-In), Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($11.05) 4, 5, 9(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($11.05) 8(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($11.05) A(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11.05 | Rake: $0.55

Results:

Button had K, A (one pair, Aces).

Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).

Outcome: Button won $10.50

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($10)

BB ($5)

UTG ($14.15)

UTG+1 ($24.65)

MP1 ($22.85)

MP2 ($29.40)

CO ($4.65)

Button ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 10

UTG calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) K, J, 6(3 players)

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.25) J(2 players)

Hero bets $2.50, UTG raises to $12.15 (All-In), Hero calls $5.50 (All-In)

River: ($20.25) Q(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.25 | Rake: $1

Results:

Hero had J, 10 (three of a kind, Jacks).

UTG had Q, J (full house, Jacks over Queens).

Outcome: UTG won $19.25

Istikruju po tokiu nokautu tai buna sunku ziureti i pokerio puse... total loss: -200BB

Matau kad sedi prie stalo su 40bb, o tai is esmes SSS...

1. KK vs AA. Preflop ir postflop norma, flope turi overpora, easy AI.

2. QQ vs KK. Su 40bb reikejo sustumt AI preflop. Callint 3bet nera prasmes, post flop reikes zaist be pozos, kam ieskot sunkiu sprendimu jei pamatysi K arba A.

Taip kaip suzaistas flopas yra blogis. Pot size santykyje su tavo likusiu stack yra virs 60%, standartinis ejimas-donk AI kad maksimaiai isnaudot FE, tegul FD ir AK susimoka jei nores gaudyt savo autus.

3. Normaliai suzaista, tiesiog nepasiseke. Pries panasius coldcallerius su SC ar mazais PP (setu, STR ir flush gaudytojai) ilgalaikej busi +EV. Dedi note kad "su SC ccall SSS OR" ir zaidi toliau.

4. Klaida preflop. TT nepakankama 3bet UTG open raise (OR), tad lengvas fold preflop. SSS'inkui is BB su maza PP galima kartais ccall for set value, kai gauni geresnius nei 1/4 pot odsus. Pvz 4bb or ir minimum du ccall potas 4+4+4+0,5sb+1bb=13,5; is BB tau reikia idet 3 gaunam 3/13,5 = 1/4,5. Jei jau suzaidei ccal for set value, pagavus flope set, nera kito pasirinkimo tik AI.

5. norma. UTG SSS zaidejas suzaide teisingai, hero kito pasirinkimo irgi nebuvo. Coinflip...

6. Klaida preflop. JTo compleatint is SB po vieno limperio yra blogis. Butu buve bent du limperiai butu ok. Offsuited connectoriais SSS lyst i neraisinta pota gali kai gauni pot oddsus >5,5.

Post flopas suzaistas nesamoningai. Neraisintam pote nera prasmes mest lauk pinigus su antra pora ir silpnu kikeriu. Jei opp priesinasi, tipo gauni check/raise arba reraisina tavo bet, ramiai galima ismest i muck TPGK arba net ir TPTK. Neraisintam pote mazai pinigu, tad nera prasmes del jo pestis...

Tikras sumustinis tik vienas... 3 hand.

Matau kad sedi prie stalo su 40bb, o tai is esmes SSS...

1. KK vs AA. Preflop ir postflop norma, flope turi overpora, easy AI.

2. QQ vs KK. Su 40bb reikejo sustumt AI preflop. Callint 3bet nera prasmes, post flop reikes zaist be pozos, kam ieskot sunkiu sprendimu jei pamatysi K arba A.

Taip kaip suzaistas flopas yra blogis. Pot size santykyje su tavo likusiu stack yra virs 60%, standartinis ejimas-donk AI kad maksimaiai isnaudot FE, tegul FD ir AK susimoka jei nores gaudyt savo autus.

3. Normaliai suzaista, tiesiog nepasiseke. Pries panasius coldcallerius su SC ar mazais PP (setu, STR ir flush gaudytojai) ilgalaikej busi +EV. Dedi note kad "su SC ccall SSS OR" ir zaidi toliau.

4. Klaida preflop. TT nepakankama 3bet UTG open raise (OR), tad lengvas fold preflop. SSS'inkui is BB su maza PP galima kartais ccall for set value, kai gauni geresnius nei 1/4 pot odsus. Pvz 4bb or ir minimum du ccall potas 4+4+4+1sb+2bb=15, tau reikia idet 3 3/15 = 1/5. Jei OR 3bb, gali is BB call ir po vieno ccall 3+3+1sb+2bb=9 gaunami pot oddsai 2/9= 1/4.5. Jei jau suzaidei ccal for set value, pagavus flope set nera kito pasirinkimo tik AI.

5. norma. UTG SSS zaidejas suzaide teisingai, hero kito pasirinkimo irgi nebuvo. Coinflip...

6. Klaida preflop. JTo compleatint is SB po vieno limperio yra blogis. Butu buve bent du limperiai butu ok. Offsuited connectoriais SSS lyst i neraisinta pota gali kai gauni pot oddsus >5,5.

Post flopas suzaistas nesamoningai. Neraisintam pote nera prasmes mest lauk pinigus su antra pora ir silpnu kikeriu. Jei opp priesinasi, tipo gauni check/raise arba reraisina tavo bet, ramiai galima ismest i muck TPGK arba net ir TPTK. Neraisintam pote mazai pinigu, tad nera prasmes del jo pestis...

Tikras sumustinis tik vienas... 3 hand.

Nuosirdus aciu uz visa posta... istikruju tai nebuvo tie ziaurus bad beatai kai esi outdrawinamas, bet mane nustebino skaicius handu, su kuriais turedamas premium PP sugebejau ivaziuoti i aukstesnes PP...

Dar noreciau daugiau pasiaiskinti del 4 hando. Kodel su TT Ccall PF buvo klaida, kuo pagrystas 1/4 pot odds reikalingumas?

Klaida tai, kad zaidziant pp ccallini for set value kai gauni santyki call/liekes stack = 1/15 (1:20 dar geriau ir saugiau) ... seta pagausi 1:7,5, o pamokes pilnai stacku tau ji dar reciau, todel imamas santykis 1:15(20)

SSS zaidejai su 20-40bb beveik niekad neturi pakankamo stack'o kad galetu tinkamai prakolint raisintam pote. Isimtis zaidimas is BB. Santykis 1/4 yra grynai orentacinis ir neparemtas jokiu rimtu skaiciavimu, tiesiog pagal advanced SSS, aukstesniuose limituose NL200+ apsimoka tam tikrom salygom lysti i pot'a su pp, Axs ar sc, taip sakant gaunant gerus banko shansus...

Manu kad as padariau klaida ir sukeliau bereikalinga sumaisti, uzsimindamas apie tai NL25 zaidimui... tiesiog nekreipk i tai demesio...

Visu pirma tai patarciau sest prie stalo su 100BB. Jeigu zaidi SSS, tada su 20BB. Sest su 40BB tai cia nei SSS, nei BSS, nei MSS (su kuria nezinau laiminciu zaideju), o kazkoks iskrypimas.

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apie shortstackerius

kaip tik siandien perskaiciau ta tema... nezinau kiek teisinga mano nuomone, bet pastebejau, kad bunant shortstacku (tiksliau 50BB) yra lengviau pasidoublinti trapinant, nes tarkime jeigu buvo raise PF, ir po to check raise all in flope tai oponentas beveik visada buna committed (dazniausiai su middle pair arba TPTK) , o paskui toliau tesi zaidima su 100BB. As taip saugau savo bankrolla, nes zaidziu 9-12 stalu NL25, su 500$ bankrollu...

kaip tik siandien perskaiciau ta tema... nezinau kiek teisinga mano nuomone, bet pastebejau, kad bunant shortstacku (tiksliau 50BB) yra lengviau pasidoublinti trapinant, nes tarkime jeigu buvo raise PF, ir po to check raise all in flope tai oponentas beveik visada buna committed (dazniausiai su middle pair arba TPTK) , o paskui toliau tesi zaidima su 100BB. As taip saugau savo bankrolla, nes zaidziu 9-12 stalu NL25, su 500$ bankrollu...

nieko tokio cia su 500$ rollu . As panasu turejau ir grindinau per 14-18 stalu su 100bb starsuose. Oj kiek bad beatu gauni per diena, kai sulosi tiek handu . per savaitgali savo rolla pasidvigubinau Dabar nl50 bandziau 16 stalu (FTP tik tiek leidzia) visos dienos baigdavosi minusais

Jei nusprendei multitablint - susitaikyk su bad beatais

Pritariu tavo minciai del shortu Sunku pries juos greit susicomitini ir 3bet reikia su mazesniu range, vnz sunku zaisit lag style pries juos Dabar tik pastebejau, kad labai didelis mano leakas pries shorstackus, todel renkuosi kur 100bb. Daugiau galimybiu outdrawint, nublefuot ir t.t.

Ray, prisimenu, sakei turi straipsni (seniau kazkada ) kaip kovot su shortais. Butu saunu ji perskaityt

INSTANT BUDDY - as vadinu zmones, kurie patampa mano buddy tik po to kai laimi pries mane (abu handai pralosti tam paciam oponentui mazdaug 20 dalinimu begyje)

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UTG ($26.25)

UTG+1 ($21.55)

MP1 ($14.60)

MP2 ($4.90)

MP3 ($19.30)

Hero (CO) ($12.05)

Button ($27.65)

SB ($3.30)

BB ($11.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K

2 folds, MP1 bets $1.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, MP1 calls $2.25

Flop: ($7.35) 2, 6, 8(2 players)

MP1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $8.55 (All-In), MP1 calls $7.05

Turn: ($24.45) J(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($24.45) 9(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $24.45 | Rake: $1.20

Results:

MP1 had J, 9 (two pair, Jacks and nines).

Hero mucked K, K (one pair, Kings).

Outcome: MP1 won $23.25

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SB ($23.20)

BB ($23.30)

UTG ($7.75)

UTG+1 ($3.95)

MP1 ($19.30)

Hero (MP2) ($19.35)

CO ($27.40)

Button ($3.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q

UTG bets $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($6.35) 4, 6, 7(2 players)

UTG bets $4.75 (All-In), Hero calls $4.75

Turn: ($15.85) A(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($15.85) 8(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $15.85 | Rake: $0.75

Results:

UTG had 8, 5 (straight, eight high).

Hero mucked Q, Q (one pair, Queens).

Outcome: UTG won $15.10

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UTG ($50.75)

MP ($50)

Hero (CO) ($94.15)

Button ($76.75)

SB ($54.90)

BB ($68.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, K

2 folds, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 8, 10, 7(2 players)

Hero bets $3, Button calls $3

Turn: ($10.75) 9(2 players)

Hero bets $7, Button raises to $22.50, Hero raises to $78.25, Button calls $49.25 (All-In)

River: ($154.25) 3(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $154.25 | Rake: $3

Results:

Button had J, K (straight, Jack high).

Hero had J, K (flush, King high).

Outcome: Hero won $151.25

#9 nu pirmam hande tai turejai 60/40 tai cia nzn ar reiktu kopint tokius handus

#9 nu pirmam hande tai turejai 60/40 tai cia nzn ar reiktu kopint tokius handus

nu jo bet open raise is MP1 full ringe su J9s ir paskui call 3bet... del to ir pavadinau instant buddy, beje po to kai ieskau savo "draugeliu" per search, tai pasitaiko, kad randu ir NL100 sedi su 10BB

na as suprantu kad jis tragiskai sulose ir del to nesiginciju bet tiesiog tokiu situaciju i diena po 50 kartu buna ;D