PokerStars keičia VPP ir rake sklaičiavimo metodikas

Kad silver starai gaus geresnes salygas, negu supernova elite ))))

Kaip jie gali gaut geresnes salygas as nesuprantu???

baigesi komunizmas -1bb/100 nevykeliams save vadinantiems grinderiais.

Jei tie papildomi pinigai būtų išdalinimi kitiems žaidėjams - tai tikrai būtų puiku, nes Starsai visada buvo pats baisiausias regynas. Bet dabar tuos pinigus sau susirinks starsai. Tuo pačiu savo dalies, nors ir mažesnės neteks ir visi kiti laimintys žaidėjai (na, nebent very loose/hyperaggro geri žaidėjai nepraloš). tai čia džiaugtis gali tik tikri lietuviai - iš manęs atėmė 50 Lt - bet va, iš kaimyno atims 100 Lt, valio, šaunuoliai !! \o/

"I have a 19VPIP in FR and am going to loose 20% according to the PT3 custom stat. Guess I am a nit."

čia tik viena citata iš to, kad suprast - toli gražu ne vien nitai nukentės. Kaip kad ir FTP buvo...

Toks nesveikas pelnas ir vis tiek dar spaudzia mus reiks begt kur kitur

Toks nesveikas pelnas ir vis tiek dar spaudzia mus reiks begt kur kitur

čia manau jie taip daro taip matyt, nes fishai bijo belošt kai prisėda prie stalo ir waiting list'e 9 jau regai

Jie taip darytų, jei tuos pinigus, gautus iš nitų, išdalintų kitiems. Tarkim, pagerintų VIP programas ar dar kas nors. O kadangi jie ramiai juos susideda į kišenę, tai čia tik gyvas pavyzdys, kodėl monopolija blogai - nes žmonių godumas neišmatuojamas...

Nei kas bėgs nei ką, visi tik dabar nepatenkinti rėkauja ir grasina, kad nebežais ir t.t. Kaip žaidė, taip žais.

Panašu, kad PS atsisakė pakeitimų.

Thank you all for taking the time to express your opinion about the recently announced changes to ring game rake on PokerStars.com for 2012.

As a direct result of player input, we are cancelling the planned rake changes that were to be implemented in early January 2012. We will still use the incremental method to calculate rake instead of true percentage rake. Rake caps and percentages will remain exactly as they are today.

I would like to add a few comments:

The current rake at PokerStars is the lowest by far among all major poker sites.

We are confident that the planned rake changes would have resulted in a further overall decrease in ring game rake site wide, and a decrease for a majority of players.

There has been much inaccurate information spread about the impact of the changes. As an example, the changes would not have resulted in a 50% increase in rake for 5-handed play. While there would have been an increase in average rake for 5-handed play at NL tables with stakes of $0.25/$0.50 and higher, it would be far less than 50% (for stakes up to $0.10/$0.25 there was either no change or reduction in caps for 5-handed play). Most hands do not reach the cap and thus would not be affected. The rake for many hands dealt to 5 players would actually be lower at many stakes due to the lower rake percentage (4.5% reduced from 5%). If players review rake at other online poker rooms, they will discover that it is the standard for the rake caps to be the same when 5 or more players are dealt into a hand. PokerStars has been the one notable exception to this system.

In summary we still believe that the proposed rake system taken as a whole would result in a more balanced and fair rake system for players. However, given that players have responded so negatively to this change, which also has a cost to PokerStars due to the reduced rake, we felt that the best course of action is to cancel the change.

The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

Panašu, kad PS atsisakė pakeitimų.

Thank you all for taking the time to express your opinion about the recently announced changes to ring game rake on PokerStars.com for 2012.

As a direct result of player input, we are cancelling the planned rake changes that were to be implemented in early January 2012. We will still use the incremental method to calculate rake instead of true percentage rake. Rake caps and percentages will remain exactly as they are today.

I would like to add a few comments:

The current rake at PokerStars is the lowest by far among all major poker sites.

We are confident that the planned rake changes would have resulted in a further overall decrease in ring game rake site wide, and a decrease for a majority of players.

There has been much inaccurate information spread about the impact of the changes. As an example, the changes would not have resulted in a 50% increase in rake for 5-handed play. While there would have been an increase in average rake for 5-handed play at NL tables with stakes of $0.25/$0.50 and higher, it would be far less than 50% (for stakes up to $0.10/$0.25 there was either no change or reduction in caps for 5-handed play). Most hands do not reach the cap and thus would not be affected. The rake for many hands dealt to 5 players would actually be lower at many stakes due to the lower rake percentage (4.5% reduced from 5%). If players review rake at other online poker rooms, they will discover that it is the standard for the rake caps to be the same when 5 or more players are dealt into a hand. PokerStars has been the one notable exception to this system.

In summary we still believe that the proposed rake system taken as a whole would result in a more balanced and fair rake system for players. However, given that players have responded so negatively to this change, which also has a cost to PokerStars due to the reduced rake, we felt that the best course of action is to cancel the change.

The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

Xaxa, kai PS parasiau, kad pas manes roome bus geresnis rakebackas, tai issigando ir paliks, kaip buvo, bijo manes, vadinas dar ner tokia didele monopolija.

Toks nesveikas pelnas ir vis tiek dar spaudzia mus reiks begt kur kitur

nu zinai kai toks sprendimas atnesha papildomus simtus milijonu pelno, tai ir darosi tokie dalykai

Toks nesveikas pelnas ir vis tiek dar spaudzia mus reiks begt kur kitur

nu zinai kai toks sprendimas atnesha papildomus simtus milijonu pelno' date=' tai ir darosi tokie dalykai [/quote']

del papildomu simtu milijonu tai manau perlenkei tikrai:) del su mos turiu omenyje

Panašu, kad PS atsisakė pakeitimų.

Thank you all for taking the time to express your opinion about the recently announced changes to ring game rake on PokerStars.com for 2012.

As a direct result of player input, we are cancelling the planned rake changes that were to be implemented in early January 2012. We will still use the incremental method to calculate rake instead of true percentage rake. Rake caps and percentages will remain exactly as they are today.

I would like to add a few comments:

The current rake at PokerStars is the lowest by far among all major poker sites.

We are confident that the planned rake changes would have resulted in a further overall decrease in ring game rake site wide, and a decrease for a majority of players.

There has been much inaccurate information spread about the impact of the changes. As an example, the changes would not have resulted in a 50% increase in rake for 5-handed play. While there would have been an increase in average rake for 5-handed play at NL tables with stakes of $0.25/$0.50 and higher, it would be far less than 50% (for stakes up to $0.10/$0.25 there was either no change or reduction in caps for 5-handed play). Most hands do not reach the cap and thus would not be affected. The rake for many hands dealt to 5 players would actually be lower at many stakes due to the lower rake percentage (4.5% reduced from 5%). If players review rake at other online poker rooms, they will discover that it is the standard for the rake caps to be the same when 5 or more players are dealt into a hand. PokerStars has been the one notable exception to this system.

In summary we still believe that the proposed rake system taken as a whole would result in a more balanced and fair rake system for players. However, given that players have responded so negatively to this change, which also has a cost to PokerStars due to the reduced rake, we felt that the best course of action is to cancel the change.

The change to the Weighted Contributed method of awarding VPPs will remain as announced.

Paliko jie pakeitimus, už 14$ rake gavau 30VPP kai prieš naujus metus bučiau gaves 77VPP ~. Tai VPP kiekis sumažėjo daugiau nei per pusę. Ir nebuvau aš visiškas nitas, lošiau omaha 6-max vpip buvo apie 20-22%.

Atidžiau reikėjo skaityt, ką Starsai pranešė - atsisakyta (bent jau laikinai) visų pakeitimų, išskyrus rake perskaičiavimą pagal weight contributed - jis liko.

O kad mažai taškų gavai - tai dėl to čia visi ir pyka/pyksta ant starsų. Nes buvo iš karto aišku, kad gerokai mažiau VPP gaus visi regai - ir toli gražu ne vien nitai...

Nu nezinau, kaip jus cia ka skaiciuojat, bet as uz 240$ sumoketus rake siais metais gavau 1350 VPP, tai kaip suprantu gaunasi apie 5,625 VPP uz 1$ rake, o seniau budavo 5,5 VPP uz 1$ ???

Paliko jie pakeitimus, už 14$ rake gavau 30VPP kai prieš naujus metus bučiau gaves 77VPP ~. Tai VPP kiekis sumažėjo daugiau nei per pusę. Ir nebuvau aš visiškas nitas, lošiau omaha 6-max vpip buvo apie 20-22%.

Jau prie nitų šiaip. PLO 6max lošiama su 24-28 VPIP, kiek teko domėtis, na bet kiekvienam savo. O apie rake, tai greičiau HEM rake skaičiavimas neatitinka duomenų, nei kad starsai iš tavęs atėmė 47VPP Ta prasme, tu nesumokėjai 14$ rake.